The Douglas' of Angus --------------------- (c) David Powell, http://roots-boots.net/ft/names.html Last revision: 19th May, 2002 Numbers in [..] are source codes (see end of chart). Numbers in {..}'s (eg: 1, 2, ...) indicate the generation for that individual, following the line of the Douglas' of Angus. Comment's in {..} are my own speculations and/or observations. Prior to William Douglas (generation 8), the dates given for births are estimates and should be treated accordingly. The further back in time, the more unreliable the estimate. As always, such estimates should only be taken as guides. As with any medieval family, information on individuals, especially daughters and younger sons, and their relationships to others in their presumed families is sparse. There may be a considerable amount of information known on particular indivduals, however such information rarely includes the names of their family members. Consequently, as with any geneaogy of this period, there is a degree of guesswork involved. "Was the 7th laird the son of the 6th or his brother or could he have even been the husband of a daughter and/or sister of the previous laird and assumed the name of his wife's family?" is a typical and all too common problem. The situation is even worse for daughters and younger sons. On the issue of marriages, then as now, marital infidelity and divorce was common (for the nobility at least). Since dates for marriages are generally not known, where an individual has married several times it is sometimes not known which spouse belonged to which children. This is further complicated in that the offspring of a leman who was a member of nobility was often legitimatised and sometimes even inherited a minor estate, leading some to have concluded the two were married, when they were not. -------------------------------------- 1. William de Duglass.[5,25] Born before 1160. May have been the son of Theobald the Fleming.[25] Married: Ms de Kersdale of Moray.[25] Children of William de Duglass: * i. Archibald Douglas.{2} -------------------------------------- 2. Sir Archibald Douglas.[5,25] Born before 1180. Died 1239.[5] Married: Margaret Crawford.[5,25] Margaret was the daughter of Sir John de Crauford, Lord Crawford, son of Galfridus de Crauford.[25] Children of Archibald Douglas and Margaret Crawford: * i. Sir William 'Longleg' Douglas (1200-1274).{3} ii. Sir Andrew Douglas of Dalkeith.[5] Married unknown. Children: a. William Douglas of Dalkeith.[5] Married unknown. Children: Sir James Douglas of Lothian, d.1323, ancestor of the Douglas' of Dalkeith & Morton; Andrew Douglas.[5] -------------------------------------- 3. Sir William 'Longleg' Douglas.[5,25] Born 1200.[5] Died 1274.[5] Married: Constance Batail.[5] Alternatively, or additionally, William married Martha Bruce, daughter of Alexander Bruce, Earl of Carrick.[25] Children of Archibald Douglas and Constance Batail: i. Hugh Douglas.[5] Married Marjory de Abernethy.[5] * ii. Sir William 'le Hardi' Douglas (1235-1298).{4} -------------------------------------- 4. Sir William 'le Hardi' ('The Hardy') Douglas.[5,13,21,23-25] Born c.1235.[5,21] Died 1298.[5,21] Married: Elizabeth Stewart.[5,13,21,23] Elizabeth born after 1244, died before 1289.[5,21] Alternatively, or additionally, William married Ms Keith, daughter of Sir William Keith and Barbara de Seton.[25] Children of William Douglas and Elizabeth Stewart: i. Sir James Douglas,[21] 'the Good'.[5,13,23,24] Born c.1286.[13] Also known as the 'Black Douglas'.[13,23] 2nd Earl Douglas, [13,21,23] and Lord of Galloway.[23] Signer of the Declaration of Arbroath, 1320.[5,7,13] Died 25/8/1330,[5,13,21] Theba, Spain.[13,23] In 1322 he led, with Walter, Steward of Scotland, a raid into Yorkshire and nearly captured King Edward II of England.[13] Married unknown. Children: a. Sir Archibald 'the Grim' Douglas (1325-1400)[5,12], 3rd Earl of Douglas,[21,23,24] and and Lord of Galloway.[23] Married Joanna Moray[21] of Strathearn (d.1409).[5] Children: Archibald Douglas, 4th Earl of Douglas (1372-1424); Sir James 'the Gross' Douglas, 7th Earl of Douglas (1373-1442); Marjory Mary Douglas (d.1420);[5,21] Sir William Douglas of Nithsdale (d.1392).[5,12,21] Sir William married Lady Egidia Stewart,[12,21] daughter of King Robert III and sister of Isabella and Mary who married 2nd cousins of William (see below).[12] ii. Hugh Douglas.[5] * iii. Sir Archibald Douglas (d.1333).{5} -------------------------------------- 5. Sir Archibald Douglas.[5,21-23,25] Killed fighting the English at the Battle of Halidon Hill,[23] 19/7/1333.[5,21,23] Regent of Scotland. [21,22,23] Married: Beatrice de Lindsay of Crawford.[5] Beatrix died 1352.[5] Daugher of Sir Alexander Lindsay of Crawford.[22] Additionally, or alternatively, married Dornagilla Comyn, daughter of John "the Black" Comyn and Alianora (Margaret) de Balliol.[25] Children of Archibald Douglas and Beatrix de Lindsay: i. John Douglas.[5] Died 1341.[5] * ii. William Douglas (1321-1384).{6} iii. Eleanor Douglas.[5] Married Alexander de Bruce, illegitimate son of Edward, Earl of Carrick and Isabel, sister of David of Strathbogie, Earl of Athol.[22] Was made Earl of Carrick c.1330.[22] Was killed fighting against the English at Halidon Hill, 19/7/1333.[22] Married 2nd James Sandilands of Calder, before 1339.[22] James died before 1358.[22] Married 3rd William Towers of Dalry, before 1364 (probably before 1361).[22] Married 4th Sir Duncan Wallace of Sundrum, before 1368.[22] Married 5th Sir Patrick Hepburn of Hales (born 1322), dispensation being granted 18/3/1376.[22] -------------------------------------- 6. Sir William Douglas.[1,9-11,20,22,23,25] Born 1321.[5] Died 1384, [5,15,18,21] Douglas, South Lanarkshire.[5,15] 1st Earl of Douglas. [1,5,9-11,18,21-23] {According to [1,10,23] was also Earl of Mar}. Married: Margaret Mar,[18,21,23,25] 1357,[18] Died 1390/1393.[18] Margaret was the daughter of Donald, Earl of Mar, and Isabel Stewart,[18,25] and the sister of Thomas Mar, 13th Earl of Mar.[8] Margaret was Countess of Mar in her own right ('suo jure').[18,21,23] Partner: Margaret Stewart,[5,8,10,11,14,15,20,21,25] Countess of Angus, [1,5,8,11,18,21] in her own right.[19] Margaret's parents married in 1353,[20] and her father died 1361,[19] thus Margaret was born between 1354-1361. Died 23/3/1418.[5,15,18,19] At the time of William's liason with Margaret she was married to Thomas Mar, 13th Earl of Mar, William's brother-in-law.[9] Margaret was the daughter of Thomas Stewart[18] (?-1361),[19] 2nd Earl of Angus[18,19] & Lord of Abernethy,[19] and Margaret Sinclair.[18,19] Children of William Douglas & Margaret Mar: i. Sir James Douglas,[18] born c.1358.[12] 2nd Earl of Douglas[11,18,21,23] and Earl of Mar.[11,23] Killed in battle 19/8/1388,[18,21,23] Otterburn,[18,23] (aka Chevy Chase).[23] Married Lady Isabella Stewart,[21] 24/9/1371.[11] Isabella died c.1410.[11] Isabella was daughter of King Robert III (c.1337-1406) and Annabella Drummond (c.1350-1401).[12] James' half-brother, George, married Isabella's sister, Mary (see below). James had no legitimate issue.[18] ii. Isabella Douglas.[21] Inherited the earldom of Mar in right of her mother,[18,21] upon the death of her brother, James.[23] Died 1419.[21] Married 1st Sir Malcolm Drummond.[21] Malcom died 1403.[21] Married 2nd Sir Alexander Stewart (1375-1435), 12th Earl of Mar.[21] Children of William Douglas & Margaret Stewart: * iii. George Douglas, born c.1375.{7} iv. Margaret Douglas.[20] Married Alexander Montgomery.[20] -------------------------------------- 7. George Douglas[10,16,18,21] (illegitimate),[1,9] born 1368.[5] {sources [1,8,15,20] gives an estimate of 1376/1378. According to [11] George was born before 1378}. Died of the plague,[15] 1402/1404[1,5,11,16,20] in England after being captured at the battle of Homildon Hill, 14/9/1402, [8,16,21] and being held prisioner.[15] 1st Earl Douglas of Angus, [1,8-10,16,18,21] 18th Earl Angus,[15] was created Earl of Angus in 1389,[1] as he was going to marry the king's daughter.[19] Married: Princess Mary Stewart,[5,8,10,21] 24/5/1397.[1,9,11,15,16] Mary was born c.1366,[1] and died 1458,[1,5,15,21] Strathblane.[1] Daughter of King Robert III[1,9,11,12,16] (c.1337-1406) and Annabella Drummond (c.1350-1401).[1,12] George's half-brother, James Douglas, married Mary's sister, Isabella (see above). After George's death Mary remarried, 1405, James Kennedy (d.8/11/1408), younger, of Dunure, son of Sir Gilbert Kennedy and Agnes Maxwell.[11] Married 3rd 13/11/1413 Sir William Graham (d.1424) of Kincardine, son of Sir Patrick Graham of Kincardine & Lord of Dundaff and Matilda. Married 4th 1425 Sir William Edmonstone of Duntreath.[11] Mary's other children were: Sir John Kennedy, Gilbert Kennedy of Dunure (1st Baron Kennedy), James Kennedy (Chancellor of Scotland & Bishop of Dunkeld), Sir Robert Graham of Fintry (Provost of Dundee), Patrick Graham (archbishop of St Andrews), William Graham and Walter Graham.[11] Children of George Douglas and Mary Stewart: * i. William Douglas, born 1397/1398.{8} ii. Elizabeth Mary Douglas.[5,10,11] Married 1st Alexander Forbes, 1st Baron Forbes,[5,10,11] Aberdeenshire, bt.6-16/10/1423.[10,11] Alexander born 1380,[11] died 1448.[5,11] Married 2nd Sir David Hay[5,10,11] of Locherworth[5] and Yester;[10,11] died 1475.[5,11] Children: a. James Forbes.[5] Died 1462.[5] 2nd Lord Forbes.[5] Married Egidia Keith (d.1473).[5] Children: William Forbes, 3rd Lord Forbes, (d.1483), Duncan Forbes, Patrick Forbes, Alexander Forbes and Egidia Forbes.[5] b. William Forbes.[5] c. Annabella Forbes.[5,10] Married Patrick Gray, Master of Gray (d.8/1464).[5,10] Children: Andrew Fray, 2nd Lord Gray (1460-1514), Janet Gray, Elizabeth Gray, 2 additional daughters.[5] d. Margaret Forbes of Fyvie.[5] e. Elizabeth Forbes of Irvine.[5] f. John Hay.[5] 1st Lord Hay.[5] Died 1508.[5] Married Elizabeth Cunningham (d.1508).[5] Children: John Hay, 2nd Lord Hay, (1469-1513), George Hay, Margaret Hay of Borthwick and Isobell Hay of Lauder.[5] g. Andrew Hay.[5] h. Margaret Hay.[5] -------------------------------------- 8. William Douglas,[9,11,15,16] born 1397/1398,[1,5,15,17] Liddesdale, Roxburghshire.[1] Died 10/1437.[1,5,11,15-17] 2nd Earl Douglas of Angus, [1,5,9,11,16,17] 19th Earl Angus,[15] Was a negotiator for the release of James I; Ambassador to England; Warden of the Middle marches; defeated an English foray led by Sir Robert Ogle at Piperdean.[15] Married: Margaret Hay of Yester,[1,5,9,11,15-17] 6/1/1414-1415.[15] {Source [1] gives 12/12/1410. Was the 1410 date a handfasting as a child and the marriage itself in 1415? Sources [9,11] give an estimate of 1425}. Obtained papal dispensation for the marriage 'about' 1425.[16] Margaret was the daughter of Sir William Hay of Yester[1,11,16] & Locherworth and Alicia Hay,[11] and died 1484.[5,15] Margaret's brother, David Hay, married William's sister, Elizabeth Douglas (see above). Children of William Douglas and Margaret Hay: i. James Douglas,[1,5,9,13] born c.1416. 3rd Earl Douglas of Angus.[1,5,9,14] Died after 1444,[13] (c.1446.[1]) Married Joan Stewart.[13] Joan was the daughter of James I (1394-1437) and Joan Beaufort (1407-1445).[14] No issue.[1] After James' death, Joan remarried Sir James Douglas, 1st Earl of Morton.[14] * ii. George Douglas, born c.1419.{9} iii. William Douglas,[5] of Cluny.[9] Warden of Eastern and Middle Marches.[9] iv. Helen Douglas.[16] Died after 1480.[16] Married William Graham, 2nd Laird of Graham.[16] William died c.1471.[16] Children: a. Isabel Graham.[16] Married Walter Buchanan, 15th Laird of Buchanan, before 26/11/1463.[16] Walter died before 12/1526.[16] Children: Patrick Buchanan, 16th Laird of Buchanan.[16] -------------------------------------- 9. George Douglas,[8,9,11] born c.1419, Liddesdale, Roxburghshire.[1,2] Died 12/3/1462-1463,[5,15,17], Abernethy, Fife.[1] {Died 14/11/1462 according to [1]}. 4th Earl Douglas of Angus,[1,5,9,17] 21st Earl of Angus.[15] Inherited title upon the death of his older brother, James, who had no issue. Fought for James III against the Douglas and was rewarded with large grants of lands of that family; fought for Henry VI against Edward IV; first of his house to have great power and estates on the Border; granted Tantallon Castle; relieved the siege of Alnwick.[15] Was one of the Commisioners to conclude a treaty with England 1449 and 1459; Ambassador to England 1451.[15] Married: Isabel Sibbald,[5,9,11,15,17] before 1446.[1,15] Isabel born c.1425, Balgonie, Milton Balconie, Fife,[2] and died between 1500 and 2/1502-1503.[5,15] Daughter of Sir John Sibbald.[5] Children of George Douglas and Isabel Sibbald: i. Sir Archibald Bell the Cat Douglas, born c.1450.{10} ii. John Douglas.[5] iii. Anne Douglas.[5] Married William Graham.[5] 2nd Lord Graham. Born 1430, died 1471.[5] Children: a. William Graham.[5] 1st Earl of Montrose.[5] Born 1450, killed in battle 9/9/1513, Flodden, Northumberland, England.[5] Married 1st Annabella Drummond.[5] Annabella died 1500.[5] Married 2nd Janet Edmonstone.[5] Children of William and Annabella: William Graham (2nd Earl Of Montrose), Walter Graham, Katherine Helen Graham (married Humphrey Colquhoun of Luss) and Elizabeth Graham (married Walter Drummond).[5] b. George Graham of Callendar.[5] Killed in battle 9/9/1513, Flodden, Northumberland, England.[5] c. Patrick Graham.[5] d. Oliver Graham.[5] e. Jean Graham.[5] f. Christian Graham of Airlie.[5] g. Agnes Graham.[5] iv. Isabella Douglas of Ramsay.[5] v. Elizabeth Douglas of Fintray.[5] vi. Margaret Douglas, born c.1460, Douglasdale, Angus.[1-5] Died Glenorchy, Argyllshire.[1] Married Duncan CAMPBELL,[3-5] 14/10/1479.[1,2,6] {See CAMPBELL file for continuation of this line} vii. Jane Janet Douglas.[5] viii. Egidia Douglas.[5] ix. Alison Douglas.[5] -------------------------------------- 10. Sir Archibald 'Bell the Cat' Douglas,[5,9,11,15] 'The Great Earl'.[9,15] Born c.1450.[5,8,11,15] Died after 29/11/1513, Priory of St. Ninian, Whithorn (now Wigtown), Galloway.[5,8,11,15,17] 5th Earl of Angus. [5,11,15,17] Made warden of the East Marches, 11/4//1481 and continued in that office under James IV with whom he was in great favour.[15] High Chancellor of Scotland 1493-98.[15] Advised the King against the engagement at Flodden, but his advice was insultingly rejected and he quit the field shortly before the fight, bidding his sons William & George to remain, both of whom were slain along with the King.[15] Was a conspirator against Cochrane and King James III, briefly guardian of James IV.[15] Married 1st: Elizabeth Boyd,[5,8,17] 4/3/1467-1468.[15] Elizabeth died 1496/1497.[5,15] Married 2nd: Janet Kennedy, c.1498.[11] Janet was daughter of John Kennedy, 2nd Lord Kennedy, (d.1509) and Lady Elizabeth Seton-Gordon.[11] John was the son of Baron Gilbert Kennedy (see above).[11] Janet died before 1/6/1500.[11] Janet also had a child by King James IV.[11] Unmarried partner: Daughter of the Laird of Traquair.[8] Children of Archibald Douglas and Elizabeth Boyd: i. Sir George Douglas,[8] born 1469.[5,15,17] Killed in battle, 9/9/1513, Flodden, Northumberland, England.[5,8,15,17] Master of Angus.[5,15,17] Married Elizabeth Drummond,[5,15,17] before 3/1487-1488.[15] Elizabeth died after 1514.[15] Children: a. Sir Archibald Douglas, born 1490,[15,17] died of erysipelas,[15] 1/1556-1557,[5,8,17] Tantallon Castle,[8,15] buried Abernethy.[15] 6th Earl of Angus,[5,15,17] 23rd Earl Angus.[15] Gained title in 1513 after the deaths of his father and grandfather the same year.[15] After his marriage was a focus of political intrigue and after 1524 a strong supporter of the English party; member of the Council of Regency 1517-1521, 1523-1526, held supreme power 1526-1528 but was then exiled and his estates forfeited 1528-1542, in 1543 his estates were restored.[15] Married Margaret Tudor,[15,17] Queen of Scotland.[5,8] Margaret born 28/11/1489, Westminster Palace, London and died 18/10/1541, Methven Castle, Perth.[5,8] Children: Margaret Douglas of Lennox (1515-1578), born Harbolttle Castle, Northumberland.[5] b. Sir George Douglas of Pittendriech.[5,8] Married unknown. Child: David Douglas (c.1515-1557).[8] c. William Douglas, born 1495, died 1528.[5] d. Elizabeth Douglas.[5] Married John Hay (?-1543), 3rd Lord Hay.[5] e. Alison Douglas.[5] Married Robert Blackadder, died 1513, Flodden.[5] f. Janet Douglas,[5] Lady Glamis.[8] Died 17/7/1537.[8] g. Margaret Douglas.[5] ii. Sir William Douglas of Glenbervie.[5] Killed in battle, 9/9/1513, Flodden, Northumberland, England.[5,8] iii. Gavin Douglas,[8] born 1474, died 1522.[5] iv. Archibald Douglas of Kilspindie.[5] v. Marion Douglas.[5] Married Sir James Ogilvy, 1st Lord Ogilvy Of Airlie, died 1504.[5] Children: a. John Ogilvy, 2nd Lord Ogilvy, died 1505.[5] Married Marion Graham of Kincardine.[5] vi. Elizabeth Douglas.[5] Children of Archibald Douglas and Janet Kennedy: vii. Janet Douglas.[5,8] Married Robert Herries.[8] Child: Andrew Herries (1530) References & Sources: -------------------- [1] Research by Royal and Noble. Forwarded by Ian Gammage. [2] LDS Medieval Families Unit. Forwarded by Ian Gammage. [3] Post to Rootsweb Gen-Medieval mail-list, from Ky, , posted 15/9/1998. Source: Scots Peerage. [4] Post to Rootsweb Gen-Medieval mail-list, from Bronwen Edwards, , posted 20/7/2001, "fifth generation from robert Bruce de scotland". Also ibid, 25/9/2001, "James IV's bastards". [5] Post to Rootsweb Gen-Medieval mail-list, from Ky, , posted 22/10/1998, "Douglas of Dalkeith to Douglas of Douglas, parts 1-3". [6] "Burke's Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages", from Ian Gammage. [7] For example: , and . The Declaration of Arbroath was a letteer to the Pope in Avingon, thought to have been written by Bernard de Linton, the Abbot of Arbroath, and seeking the pope's intervention in the war between England and Scotland. It bore the seals of 8 earls and 45 barons. With it's emphasis that the will and wishes of the people are above the king and the important of the rights of freedom, it's parallels with the American Declaration of Independence have been noted by many and it is considered the most important document in Scottish history. 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[18] Post to Rootsweb Gen-Medieval mail-list, from Richard Borthwick, , posted 19/6/1997, "Archibald Douglas". Sources: CP I:153-154, CP IV:430 ff, CP VIII:408-409. [19] Post to Rootsweb Gen-Medieval mail-list, from Leo van de Pas, , posted 15/6/1998, "Douglas, Earl of Angus". Sources: Burke's Peerage, 1938 edition; The Complete Peerage; "The Lineage and Ancestry of Prince Charles", Gerald Paget. [20] Post to Rootsweb Gen-Medieval mail-list, from Richard Borthwick, , posted 3/8/1998, "Margaret Stewart, Angus, St Clair and Strathearn". Source: ES III/4:640. [21] Post to Rootsweb Gen-Medieval mail-list, from Ed Mann, , posted 22/12/1998, "Sir William Douglas". Sources: "Britain's Royal Families", Weir, p.220; "Burke's Peerage", 101st ed., pp.1448, 1712; ESiii/4:640; "Ancestral Roots", Weis, 7th ed., 256-34; "Magna Charta Sureties", 1215 , 4th ed, 41-9, 41C-8, 165-9; "Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerages", pp.174, 175, 493. 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